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I wonder if their attorney has a copy?JUST KIDDING!!

Doubtful. You might be able to go to another store & PM at 5am or whatever time the BB sale begins, IF you can find a store that will PM and which hasn't also run out of the item in question. Last year, after my initial round - I tried to PM a few BB sale items at WM, but others had already cleaned them out (or WM had the sense to pull them in advance!).

Usually nothing until Wednesday's paper & those are usually the sales for those stores which are open and having sales ON thanksgiving day.

Pretty sure they just pulled aside the minimum quantity available to lock them away for BF. That would make sense with the run through - so the stock people know where things are and where they need to go.

Amen! That was essentially one of my earlier points. Only a lawyer would brag about an alleged $50k legal bill! Besides, we still have plenty of their superior competitors to choose from!

Not quite that simple. If it were, there wouldn't be any printed circulars anymore since most stores already post their circulars on their own websites. I believe there might even be a link(s) to those weekly ads on the main gottadeal page. It used to be a competitive advantage thing. Now with so many leaks and sites such as gottadeal (and the imitators) I think many stores have started to factor in the leaking and posting into their campaigns. But they're still not necessarily happy about it. They want you to ideally open up your Thanksgiving Day newspaper and see their circular and go WOW! Look at these deals! I'm going to Store X tomorrow! In theory when you have a week or more to compare and strategize, you may or may not go there.

Now THAT makes a lot of sense! Nice work rjjan!!

I don't think anyone here mistook it for an "Order", I believe that we merely called it a C&D letter. I think you make many valid points, as I also questioned some things from the posted letter. However, this is supposedly an example sent to another site, not necessarily the one sent here. While I question the merits, I also don't believe that you can summarily dismiss their entire argument. Just curious, what makes you think that they couldn't properly serve this site? <notices Brad & RossMan running for cover> :lolrun:

typo - fair enough, as it happens to all of us (scary how many do spell that word incorrectly though) I'm just curious, was "juristiction" a typo as well? Schiavo was a part of what "big company" again? Sorry, after reading your initial post, I was wondering how long it would take you to bring up the sad case of Ms. Schiavo (which too many tried to exploit on all sides). Technically the executive branch in that case was attempting to fulfill what they felt were their legal obligations (even if politically or religiously motivated to do so). Many legal scholars feel that they were actually correct, but they argued it poorly. Even if one were to accept your obvious bias, the courts actually restrained the executive branch, making your point moot. Since this case would not at all involve the executive branch, I was merely reacting to what appears to have been an unnecessary cheap shot at someone who has nothing to do with the case or the topic. I am willing to debate, discuss or argue such matters with you further, but this is neither the time nor the place. These are the holidays and this board is all about BF!! (not the other !) Back to the savings!!

The original point was that the AG or other consumer affairs type people could investigate this early next week to see if the reports are accurate, and if so, what if anything is being done to correct it. In the unlikely event that this has happened AND nothing is being done to correct it, WM could have some problems, which the AG or others could strongly encourage them to fix. Ideally all it takes is a phone call from the right people and things get fixed. Since you elected to throw out WM's daily sales and budget as if we should all bow before the behemoth, some of us were just advising you that there are still people, such as AG Spitzer, who are not intimidated in the least. (Actually some might say that Spitzer is attracted by the big target on WM > pun intended) I presume that you are also aware that for all WM's might and power, with all their legal and financial efforts, they still have not been able to open a single store in NYC (among other places). The proposed NASCAR track will probably be built there long before any WM opens. You are correct that WM has taken steps to cover themselves, however, if you have seen other threads on this board, there are also WM stores which will not issue ANY rainchecks, for anything, regardless of the policy. I hope that WM proofread their ad and didn't really say "ECLUDING". When you win lawsuits, you are frequently reimbursed for reasonable legal expenses, so it would not cost the people "hundreds of thousands" of dollars. In addition, most individuals would bring suit in small claims type courts where the big WM legal team could be useless or excluded, depending on the state. I understand that you may be trying to lower people's expectations, and that might be a good thing. I just don't necessarily agree that "those are the facts", at least not completely. In any case, have fun at CC and I hope you are able to buy what you want!

Mark - I covered some of this in the what ads are you still waiting for thread, but both kmart ads (T-DAY & BF) were apparently in wed paper last year and you of all people were the one who posted that biglots was in wed paper. Items for the meijer t-day sale were posted on Wed.

Well the plot thickens. I did say that I thought they were trying to create the biggest buzz about WM, that certainly appears to be true, no matter what the real prices will be. I also noted that WM had announced a business decision to go back to doorbusters after downplaying it last year. That also appears to be true!

Glad to hear it!! & hubby!! Way to come through!! We were somewhat concerned that if you didn't, something unpleasant may have happened! :rotflol: But seriously - best of luck to you! and Happy Holidays! Just remember, gottadeal can help you save money & have fun all year long!! especially as you 6 kids!! :crochunte I've never seen those before > :2elephant

But evidently you didn't carefully read the text of the C&D letter in question. I was expecting and looking for the dreaded DMCA reference, but I didn't see it. There is no mention of copyright infringement, only mention of trademarks, which would explain why some things get reposted on some sites with bogus store names. I'm not a lawyer, but I gather that trademarks are still governed by the specific trademark statutes, not the DMCA. I also gather that some people have tried, without great success, to extend the DMCA to trademarks. They have to threaten to recover their "losses" or else the lawsuit would essentially be a slap on the wrist - the financial part is the hammer.

Actually markraby, I think some people just didn't bother to actually it. Maybe something more subtle like - when do the ads for the Thanksgiving DAY sales come out. :rotflol:

I don't remember, but it's probably in the archives from last year if you search. I know it's not the same, but for Meijer you can check the website - SuperSaturday sales usually post on Thursday, so the Thanksgiving DAY sale would probably post by Tuesday.

Miranda1313 Most stores will have some sort of sales on BF. Please see existing thread on this topic "What Ad are you still waiting for": http://forums.gottadeal.com/showthread.php?t=17407

I see that somebody else posted that they were able to PM earlier - but my understanding and my experience is that you have to wait for "that time to come around" as you said. I'm not sure if it's really some stores that would permit doing it earlier. I suspect that someone had a cashier who didn't catch it and let them PM early. Just a hunch. ;)

Bravo!! :clapping: First question - does EpotD FficeO have any "restocking fees" to be aware of?? Second question - does EpotD FficeO PM? If they do, then bring their competitor's ads into EpotD FficeO and purchase only the loss leaders from the other stores or EpotD FficeO's loss leaders.

1 - yes it could have been sent to a FL based company or a company who's servers are in FL, but, given that EpotD FficeO has corporate offices in FL, I presume that is the real reason. Just like many "Delaware" corporations try to take advantage of that state's corporate laws. It would also be because many people outside of FL may not be familiar with those particular rules and therefore they may be more inclined to back down. 2 - I hope that you feel better now for venting your political frustrations, however, please note that you undercut your own credibility by misspelling the word "Governor" and by implying that the executive branch of government has anything to do with a private civil dispute which,should it proceed, would take place in the judicial branch of government between two private parties. With apologies to Guinness, BRILLIANT!! 3 - With apologies to Bartles & James - "thank you for your support". I do not believe that many websites can afford at least $50,000 every year. That was my point. It can also easily get much more expensive than that.

You can get them off the shelves, put them in your cart and get close to the register, but no... you can't purchase sale items until they are on sale > you can only PM once the sale at the other store begins.

Do you have the free Adobe Acrobat Reader? That would let you read .pdf files.

Amen. AG Spitzer brought Wall St (among others) to justice, do you really think that Walmart scares him? Also, while WM wins most of the time, they don't win all of the time. With all the recent bad press (or smear campaign, depending on your point of view) do you thing some other AG looking to make name for themselves wouldn't take a shot at "big bad" WM in the name of consumer protection? (except for maybe Arkansas)

They have tightened up their rules a little bit in the last year, but they're still pretty good about PM. Policy is usually posted clearly in the stores near or at the service desk. There are a few limitations so just check ahead & have fun!

VaderGCP - I would say that you have the general concept down, but the problem may be with Target. It seems that different Target stores sometimes have different rules or they may interpret the rules differently - see thread linked below. http://forums.gottadeal.com/showthread.php?t=20105 The best advice is to call or visit your local store ahead of time, ask if they will PM on BF and if they say yes, I suggest that you write down the name of the person who told you yes, just in case. Also, just to clarify - you always need to bring proof of the other store's price for each item, usually that's the sales circular. You need proof for both the Season 6 and proof for the box set and you need to buy during the hours (and days) those items are on sale. Good luck!