BobbyDouglas
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- Uhhh, I thought that was your entire point, and now you decide it isn't? Whoa, you are making one great argument!Okay, forget about the 'dishonest' comment then if it bothers you that
much. I've seen industry insiders shows where they bash manufacturers for
making EDTVs, so I'm not alone in thinking that... but I don't care if anyone
agrees with me there.
- Of course it will, but how long has there only been 5 channels of HD, or the other 11 channels? Over a single year, with very few upgrades.HD is already here - not a few years from now. And it's only going to get
bigger. There is a good amount of HD programming each and every week.
- Sorry I have to ask this, but how old are you? "I can't afford it, and I don't care about HD. Hmm, maybe I should spend extra money on something I can't afford" - That makes sense to you?The best arguments for EDTV are 'I can't afford anything more' and 'I don't
care about HD'. Not the greatest arguments in the world.
- I was just saying that because you tried to use Blue Ray as part of your argument, which you see now doesn't really workNot $8000 total. I never said you'd HAVE to buy a
BluRay player RIGHT NOW. In fact, I don't even think you can. And when
you go to buy one, I can promise you they won't be $3,000. You sound
ridiculous when you say that and put words in my mouth saying that I'm
telling people that's part of the cost. HD DVD and BluRay players will be the
same cost as mainstream players in a couple years.
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uscboy, you are preaching to the wrong client base. People who bought those $997 EDTVs wouldn't spend $1800 on an HD version.
It has to downconvert the signal, but it WILL ACCEPT IT PERFECTLY FINE. It should be pretty common knowledge that the 480p signal won't display the quality 1080i has at all- nobody is trying to argue that.
You talk about Blu Ray, yet... most TVs that do that are WAY out of a normal person's price range, and use 1080p. On top of that, you need a $3,000 DVD player, and on top of that, the DVD itself- which will be very expensive. So to make the argument "prepare for the future, now" doesn't sound too convincing when you look at the $8,000+ cost.
I noticed you still haven't even answered my above questions, but continued to go back to your original post and basically repeat it.
If you don't want to try to convince people that EDTVs are dishonest, just don't reply. If you do, you should do it in a way people will listen.
If you break down your entire last reply, it boils down to "spend $800 more so in a few years (when HD really hits the market) you will be up to par"
- Then you just wasted your entire time here, because everyone who has purchased that TV (that I talked to) doesn't think it is going to display 1080i nor 720p. It even says right on the box it is 480p.and the bottom line of this entire point I'm making is that anyone purchasing
an EDTV will HAVE to upgrade their television and/or buy a second set that is
HD compatible if they care to have HD television
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It will accept all HD signals. I figured you would be able to respond, but doesn't appear so. Oh well. If you really want to try and prove your original premise, you might want to take some more time to reply.
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- Which is about 90% of the entire population.These digital television rules do not apply to cable or satellite, which will probably remain analog for some time to come.
uscboy, don't have anything to respond with about what I said earlier?
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Most items have a limit, and will only let you purchase 1 per person/household. Nice idea though... You would need to make sure you bring along a rather large gun to make sure the people who have been waiting in line for hours, just to see you take half the items, don't kill you.
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- Any reference links to go read?I was but after reading the reviews i chose not to
- Who was saying this?People were telling me the all channels by end of next year were changing to HD , so i ending up getting the Magnavox 42" plasma HDTV at bestbuy
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I was actually wondering what GottaDeal could do better, not the stores. I don't think there is enough database space to discuss what the stores could do better.
I am sure Ross/Brad would do what they could if they saw it would help. The price for flyers shouldn't be too expensive, and the turnaround on them might be fairly good. I think I only recruited around 3 people for GottaDeal, if I had flyers there would have been a TON more.
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- I was referring to you trying to prove EDTVs are dishonest as a "battle".I'm not fighting any battles
- This entire thread is about a PLASMA. I haven't researched other types of TVs, so I couldn't comment on something that doesn't relate to this particulr topic.You don't have to spend $2000+ to get a good set that
does... unless it's plasma, which frankly is a waste of money unless you HAVE
to hang your TV on the wall
- People who bought this don't plan to spend their time watching the very few HD channels available. Nobody I talked to is expecting to get HDTV quality out of the EDTV for HD channels.If you showed someone HD content on one of those sets and
then showed them it at 480p, $400 more wouldn't seem all that bad.
- What's the point of having a built-in HD tuner if it doesn't do HD? Also, where did you read this tv can't do HD? The manual, box, product specs, and just about everyone that knows anything about the TV, claims it will do HD. But who knows, it sounds like you know more than everyone else.Btw, they may plan on using it for minor HD viewing, but I'm fairly confident
they'll use it for zero HD viewing since it can't do HD.
- The only thing that didn't sound biased was TvBob's information. He didn't use words like dishonest, and stuck mearly to facts and not unprovable opinions.if even one person reads this who doesn't
understand the difference between EDTV and HDTV and does now, that's
great... that was the point all along
It really sounds like you didn't read that thread I linked to earlier regarding HD/EDTVs and their myths.
Btw, what's your AVS forum username?
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As bad as I feel, I wouldn't have replaced it. Although I would have gave some information about what can be done about it, instead of blowing it off.
Hope the man doesn't get jail, but instead is required to visit some anger management classes.
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- Wow, price sure dropped on that. The one you couldn't stop talking about I think was around $249 or $299 w/ that QAM technology I think.That would be the DVICO Fusion-HDTV5-Lite for $99, great HDTV tuner card which Brad told me about.
- And according to the newspaper, it was considered the 2nd best buy item for Black Friday.but EDTV screams price point to me
- NONE of the people I talked to, thought it would give a better picture than these $2000+ HDTVs. Most of the people who got in on the EDTV deal at WalMart, plan to use it for minor HD viewing, but mainly for DVDs and standard TV (Note, these opinions are based off of what I saw, and people who I have talked to at other Walmarts). Those who watch HD a lot, mentioned they already have an HDTV, and this is going to be used in one of their bedrooms or spare rooms.or worse, they'll think they'll have real HD and they'll misrepresent it to others who also have no clue
You are fighting a losing battle. There are too many people out there that know quite a bit about HDTVs and EDTVs. After about 10 minutes of reading it seems like I can make a pretty good argument about EDTVs.
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Haven't mentioned it because I don't have one
However, it would be either Cox Cable, or that one TV Tuner card (that you couldn't stop talking about earlier this year) that will let me "borrow" the HD channels. I won't take advantage of HD until I get an HDTV, and the number of channels increase greatly.About 6 months ago, I believe it was with DirectTV, they only offered about 5 normal channels in HD; Cox Cable on the other hand offered 11. Made my Uncle switch from his Direct TV to Cox.
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Isn't Blu Ray going ot be 1080p, while most of the current HDTVs are only 1080i? Kind of making the "prepare for the future, now" argument not supportive?
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That quote of TvBob wasn't saying/implying "that HD on an ED tv looks as good/better as HD on an HD tv". He said the exact opposite.
- I agree, a few years from now I would expect HD to actually have more than 11 channels, and being able to watch DVDs with a better video signal. The 11 channels that HD is actually in, are just sports channels. By the time HD is actually going to be the norm, the TVs we buy today will be outdated or at least half the price we paid for them.Fact of the matter is HD is the future
- Blu Ray? Where? I heard that with the huge bandwidth costs, Blu Ray wasn't going to really make it mainstream- but I'm no expert.HD DVD, Blu Ray, and the already available HD broadcasts.
Nobody is trying to argue that HDTV is going to look as good on an ED as it does on an HD. Its just that most people are not going to make use of the whopping 11 channels of HD, and thus would be better off saving their money on an ED.
It is these statements right here that make me happy to have people like TvBob:
Bottom line? EDTV is adding to the problem of consumers not understanding
television technologies. It should not be made or sold anymore, I consider it
dishonest in a way.
Btw, you don't have to hit return while typing out a paragraph, the forum here will automatically format it.
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Also, isn't Blu Ray and HD DVD going to be 1080p? Something that a lot of these HDTVs do not have?
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Ah, so these recorders actually record a video feed? Sounds like a pretty good deal to me :)
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I got this message:
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It seems like there are quite a few DVD Recorders this year, but what are people actually going to use them for? They won't copy normal DVDs, since all are CSS Protected. Are people just planning to plug in their camcorder and record that video?
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- LOL TvBob did not mention ANYWHERE that HD on an ED tv looks as good/better as HD on an HD tv.Now the original poster at least understands all this, but frankly, anyone who says that EDTV can look just as good as an HDTV set with even a semi-
decent feed is a straight up moron. I've seen plenty of 480p in my life to
know that even compressed 1080i looks a ton better.
The myth I see now is that people assume that their DVDs are going to look awesome on an HD, and that's why they get an HD. Sorry, but you just paid a lot more than you should have if you plan to use it for non-hd tv. The EDTVs actually look better with DVDs. For people who do not pay that hefty monthly HD bill for their 8-11 HD channels, an EDTV is a MUCH BETTER OPTION.
It's people like you, uscboy, who try to make these EDTVs look bad. Truth is, you are here saying 480p doesn't look at good as 1080i- REALLY????? That's not what people are trying to disprove. The fact is EDTVs are the better tv for watching DVDs- they suck for HD.
Read this A Primer for HDTV Newbies and come back and reply after you know a little bit more about the subject.
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I got it. Arrrived at 1:30am, waited until 5am. Talked about GottaDeal like it was king. Apparently quite a few others knew about it. After all of the research I did on the TV and the deals, I was able to get some of us entertained for quite some time.
The EDTV is going to be AWESOME for my 55+ dvd collection. It sounded like the EDTV was going to be crap at first, until I actually did some research on it.
TvBob summed things up great.
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Ultimate Electronics is known as a less expensive Radio Shack, with a lot more home theater equipment.
UE has to do sales like that so people actually show up.
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Turns out my local Ultimate Electronics has a JVC DVD player w/ model: XV-N310B for only $45. Maybe it would be better to get that, and then buy a cheapo used VCR.
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For some people Black Friday is not quite over with yet. Radio Shack has the Samsung DVD/VCR player for $99.99 minus a $25 Gift Card (I called and they said they could apply it to the $99.99 price, thus paying $75.99 + tax).
According to some specs, it looks like it will do 5.1 surround, as well as 480p, both requirements for this purchase. I haven't ever purchased something at Radio Shack before, since they are so expensive, I haven't found anything that great.
However, I found that here it lists the DVD player as not having "Dolby Digital Decoder" which makes me think it might not be what I want.
Any suggestions?
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If people are going to be their by 2am, which it sounds like is going to hold to be true, then I must leave soon so I beat them.
Miranda, what are you planning to grab?
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I am, and about ready to take a shower. Decided at midnight it wouldn't be a good idea to take a 1 hour long nap.
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For next year's Black Friday, I would love to be able to either order/print out GottaDeal flyers to pass out to people waiting. Maybe include something like a keychain, or something really cheap that will get people to remember it a year later, or even signup once they get back from their morning shopping.
Anyone else see something that should be added/changed?
Got my 42" Plasma at Wal Mart
in 2005
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uscboy,
People who purchased the $1,000 tv wouldn't have spent another $800 to get something better.
At first you were trying to prove EDTVs are dishonest. Then you tried to prove that it isn't really that great quality. Then you tried to prove that you should get an HD set to prepare for the future. NONE of these have made any sense at all. All of which you could't reply to what I responded with after you tried to make your point.
And now you are trying to argue against plasmas altogether. You should really stick with one point, try to prove that, then move on.