Just thought you might be interested in a conversation I had at Wal-mart today. Went to my Wal-mart and as I was checking out I told the person checking me out that I would be there by 5:00am on Black Friday to get the deals they had not released yet. She said 5:00am will be too late I need to make sure I am there by 4:00am. There is another ad it just has not been leaked.