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should I wait in line for hours for a plain ole tv? I think the ones that are in high demand are the hdtv's and the lcd tv's. We just want one for $100 or less for my daughter. What do you all think? :tongue1:

I don't think so. Target usually has some good ones on ad before Christmas & not necessarily on bf for around $88. I got one for my husband 2 Chrismas' ago for his shed. It's a 20" Memorex I think & it works great. They had a good amount of stock too, it was just in their normal Sunday ad on the cover. HTH
Kristy

Thanks, I have not been out on BF in 2 years. I have decided to go out this year, but we usually go for the little things since we are on a budget.

Last year my walmart had the regular TVs left at BF prices for months after BF.

limabean -- first off, welcome to the forum!

No, I wouldn't camp out. Let's say your looking at a TV that retails for $175, and is on sale for BF for $100.

Is it worth camping out for 12 hours and enduring the madness and waiting in line for an hour to check out to grab a TV to save $75? In mathematical terms, $75/13 hours (12+1) = $5.76/hour.

And you might be enduring weather to make that $5.76/hour... Depending on where you live... http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Marcster2005/Smileypad/Weather/28_2_3v.gif http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Marcster2005/Smileypad/Weather/28_2_6v.gif http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Marcster2005/Smileypad/Weather/28_3_1.gif

It comes down to what's your time worth?

However, consider places that are less popular, like Staples, Officemax and Office Depot.

limabean -- first off, welcome to the forum!

No, I wouldn't camp out. Let's say your looking at a TV that retails for $175, and is on sale for BF for $100.

Is it worth camping out for 12 hours and enduring the madness and waiting in line for an hour to check out to grab a TV to save $75? In mathematical terms, $75/13 hours (12+1) = $5.76/hour.

And you might be enduring weather to make that $5.76/hour... Depending on where you live... http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Marcster2005/Smileypad/Weather/28_2_3v.gif http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Marcster2005/Smileypad/Weather/28_2_6v.gif http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/Marcster2005/Smileypad/Weather/28_3_1.gif

It comes down to what's your time worth?

However, consider places that are less popular, like Staples, Officemax and Office Depot.

Yay! We think alike when it comes to Mathematical terms. I am a math/education major :cheesy: . I might hit the stores after they open to avoid the rush of people.

Yay! We think alike when it comes to Mathematical terms. I am a math/education major :cheesy: . I might hit the stores after they open to avoid the rush of people.
I drive my wife nuts.

Kmart has normally had a TV on sale on turkey day (not LCD)

Update on the end of analog TV:

http://slashdot.org/articles/07/09/13/0121237.shtml

Update on the end of analog TV:

http://slashdot.org/articles/07/09/13/0121237.shtml

Yeah, way too many folks haven't switched yet. Digital television is still a choice and not a requirement.

I drive my wife nuts.

Me Too:yup:

haha well my husband thinks I am whacky.

Rather than wait in line of BF, you could also possibly spend that time filling out envelopes for the McDonalds Monopoly game and get a great deal on a TV at Best Buy.

Details: http://forums.gottadeal.com/showthread.php?t=80341

Rather than wait in line of BF, you could also possibly spend that time filling out envelopes for the McDonalds Monopoly game and get a great deal on a TV at Best Buy.

Details: http://forums.gottadeal.com/showthread.php?t=80341

Great point, Brad. :yup:

Best thing to do is to check out the prices at stores after the ads come out and then decide if it is worth your time. I dont think that regular tv's will be floding the ads, unless they are combo ones. Most people are wanting LCD or plasma and that is what draws them in.

I wouldn't even pay for a SD-TV. You could see if someone is giving away their old set on http://www.freecycle.org/ .

i would stand out in line just for the experience or stuff...but its up to you....i just go for the fun it ...lol

Well my DS's TV somehow ended up on the floor faced down. Looks like I will be shopping for a TV this year. Keeping fingers crossed for a good deal on a flat screen for around $100.

If a SD TV is the only thing you are looking for, then I would not bother with being at a store super early on BF, as there is very little demand, and there may not even be a sale on them. Everyone will be knocking the doors down for some Plasma or LCD deal.

i wonder if you can get 47-50" for $800 or less?

What do you think that the best price will be on a 36-42" LCD TV? DH wants one. That will be the main thing I am after.

me too

What do you think that the best price will be on a 36-42" LCD TV? DH wants one. That will be the main thing I am after.

I need one too!!!! If you find out, please let me know!

Rather than wait in line of BF, you could also possibly spend that time filling out envelopes for the McDonalds Monopoly game and get a great deal on a TV at Best Buy.

Details: http://forums.gottadeal.com/showthread.php?t=80341

But I thought Best buy wasnt involved with the Mcdonalds monopoly game this year? Dis I miss something?

We were looking a tv yesterday. We already have a 50 inch Samsung DLP which we love and the 32 inch Westinghouse that is a nice bedroom tv .. We want to get another HDTV for our main living room around a 42 inch. Ihope someone has a great deal on the

Rather than wait in line of BF, you could also possibly spend that time filling out envelopes for the McDonalds Monopoly game and get a great deal on a TV at Best Buy.

But I thought Best buy wasnt involved with the Mcdonalds monopoly game this year? Dis I miss something?

You didn't miss anything. Brad posted that prior to the release of the 2007 McDonald's Monopoly game rules. Best Buy isn't participating this year. McDonald's 2007 game partners are Toys R Us and Foot Locker.

Best Buy will still have some great prices on TV's on BF. I'm in the market for a 37" LCD HD...

anyone expect 42" and up to be under $700 this year?
thanks

anyone expect 42" and up to be under $700 this year?
thanks

I think this is very likely for two reasons. You can get a 42" HD plasma most days for $765 at Circuit City (if you can get a 10% coupon). Additionally, I got a 42" Sanyo HD plasma on clearance at WalMart for $700 back in July (at other locations, they were even cheaper at $550). Unfortunately, it's needing to be returned (I'm not happy with the warranty policy on it).

What I'm curious about is whether there will be a 50" that cracks the $1000 barrier. I'm becoming more and more convinced one will.

51" DLP for $700 last year at Best Buy. I wouldn't be surprised if plasmas and lcd's followed suit.

1080p?

So anyone want to venture a guess on how much an LCD HDTV around 32in. will be and which store will have them the cheapest? lol

So anyone want to venture a guess on how much an LCD HDTV around 32in. will be and which store will have them the cheapest? lol


Last year BB had 32" for $470 This year I'm thinking less than $400. I think Fry's had one already for $399 a couple of weeks ago.

I'm *hoping* around 350! Thats what I am budgeting for at least. The good thing, I allowed 100 for a sewing maching and I dont need anything overly fancy so hopefully I'll get it cheaper (or not at all if there is no good deals) which will allow a little more for the TV. Its a MUST this year for DH's game/computer room.

hoping for 42-50" for under $800 and possibly 1080p

Fry's did have a 32" for $399 around Memorial Day. I have a feeling 32" could very well hit $300 on BF.

As for 1080p at $800, I seriously doubt it. I hope I'm wrong, but $800 for a 50" 720p would be VERY ambitious as prices stand right now. 1080p is just too new to see it that low, I think.

how about 47" at 720p? for under $800?

I'm looking for one as long as its under $1,000

This year I am looking for a 42 inch or more HDTV for my hubby. I promised him we could get one!

maybe the Westinghouse 42'' or 47'' for under $800?

sams club has a 42 inch vizio right now for $800 and thats the regular price. Miejers and walmart both had 42 inch televisions last year the day after for $500. so i dont think it will be hard to find a 42 inch for around $500 this year

sams club has a 42 inch vizio right now for $800 and thats the regular price. Miejers and walmart both had 42 inch televisions last year the day after for $500. so i dont think it will be hard to find a 42 inch for around $500 this year

I think so. If LCD TV shows same behavior than laptops, there are good chances for $500 42 inches LCD TV.

I'm fixing to pick up a 47" Samsung DLP HDTV at REX for $899, pretty good -- right?

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/milehightech/Amazon.com%20Samsung%20HL-S4666W%2046%20DLP%20HDTV%20Electronics.jpg

Ok, I am a newbie to this discussion - but could someone direct me to some info on the difference between Plasma and LCD. Also, what is DLP? I assume 1080 is better than 720 - but is it really THAT much more cost prohibitive?

We are thinking about getting a new TV for the bedroom - and (crosses fingers) one for the living room. I am the researcher in the family - and I have forbade DH from buying ANY tv until at least we get closer to BF.

I just need to study up on what's out there - all we have are analog tvs (our bedroom one died during a lightening storm 2 weeks ago - so that's what causing the interest in a new one).

Thanks!

how much do you guys think a 27-32 inch westinghouse or a brand like that will go for on black friday

how much do you guys think a 27-32 inch westinghouse or a brand like that will go for on black friday

27" westinghouse = around $249-299
32" westinghouse = around $349-399

Ok, I am a newbie to this discussion - but could someone direct me to some info on the difference between Plasma and LCD. Also, what is DLP? I assume 1080 is better than 720 - but is it really THAT much more cost prohibitive?

We are thinking about getting a new TV for the bedroom - and (crosses fingers) one for the living room. I am the researcher in the family - and I have forbade DH from buying ANY tv until at least we get closer to BF.

I just need to study up on what's out there - all we have are analog tvs (our bedroom one died during a lightening storm 2 weeks ago - so that's what causing the interest in a new one).

Thanks!

Plasma TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_tv)
LCD TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LCD_TV)
DLP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dlp)

Highest to Lowest quality:
1080P = "Full High Definition TV" 1920 x 1080 Resolution
1080I 1280 x 720 - 1366 x 1024
720P "
720I 1024x 720
480P (EDTV) 720x480

This is only a basic description!

One important thing...Highest displayed HDTV quality displayed through your cable/satelite tv provider is 1080I...HDDVD & Blueray can display 1080p...DVD's can display up to 720P (upconverters to 1080I & P are available).

Thanks mimiman76!!!

I am off to see which type of TV it is that I want. I am thinking LCD or plasma - but we'll see what the wallet can afford! :)

27" westinghouse = around $249-299
32" westinghouse = around $349-399

Just to add to this...
I would also hazard a guess that a 42" westinghouse = around $649-699

Whats a good TV for a bedroom? I have no idea what I need to look for (brand, etc). My husband wants a flat screen for the bedroom wall (LCD I think). Whats the price range of these and do you think they will be available on BF? Im thinking 32"

krstee couple of things

LCD is cheaper generally then Plasma.

Up to 42" LCD is best, over that Plasma is best. Generally.

No TV channels broadcast in 1080p at this time and may not for some time. The gap between 720p and 1080i to the naked eye is very small. 1080p will only make a huge difference if you have a HD DVD player too.

Whats a good TV for a bedroom? I have no idea what I need to look for (brand, etc). My husband wants a flat screen for the bedroom wall (LCD I think). Whats the price range of these and do you think they will be available on BF? Im thinking 32"

How far away from the tv will you guys be watching from?

max up to 15 feet, normally about 5-8 feet

27" westinghouse = around $249-299
32" westinghouse = around $349-399

i hope so .. I was tempted on that deal for the Frys tv that was 397 + shipping but figured I could wait until Black Friday to atleast look for the ads.

Not a bad price for a 32" Westinghouse!

How far away from the tv will you guys be watching from?

The wall from the bed is less than 11ft (based on the distance from the headboard to opposite wall)

Does anyone know if they fixed the "burn-in" problem on the Plasmas? Also, be careful in buying the off brand/no name LCD TV'S. Our news just did 2 segments on this. They're calling them the "Throw-Away TV'S" cause they don't have the parts to repair some of them. They recommend not buying them, or if you do, to purchase an extended warranty, after first reading the fine print.

i belive the majority are getting better and might not have them

I am really wanting a 42" LCD for the living room but only if they are going for $500.00-$550.00 or so on BF, does that sound about right or do you think that they will be going for more? I am also wondering if there is going to be any small LCD's on sale for the kids rooms. I just cleaned DS9 room and a nice LCD would leave so much more room then his 4 year old SDTV.

For those of you comparison shopping Plasma and LCD HDTV sets, be sure to check out the November 07 Consumer Reports. Great section on these type of sets. Stated that the Panasonic 1080P Plasma was "the best" they have ever seen... while the Panasonic 720P was nearly as good (and hard to distinguish picture quality-wise).

Panasonic is the best brand for Plasmas.

For LCD I'd say Samsung or Sony. Sony you're going to pay more. I have a 40" Samsung and love it.

Ok, so I caved, and we bought a 19" Memorex (I know, not a great warranty) LCD for the bedroom from Target (was on sale last week). I don't think I got a GREAT deal, but DH was starting to bug me about getting SOMETHING. Here are my consessions though -- I was told that I had 90 days to return it to Target (with original packaging) and I could get a refund. Also, I purchased the 3 yr extended warranty through Target, so if we do decide to keep it, I will have 3 years instead of the measly 90 days that Memorex gives.

So, we got it home, and it's tiny in comparison to how the 19" tube tv screen seemed.

I don't think I am going to like the 19" - so I am keeping my options open. If they have a 26" or even a 32" LCD (thanks for the heads up jamieva) for a similar price to what I paid for this 19" on BF, then I will switch out.

BTW - has anyone purchased an LCD TV from Target (or electronics for that matter) and had to return it (for any reason). How difficult was it?

Thanks!

I will probably be going to bestbuy this black friday, depending on what they have. I would like to buy a smallish LCD screen, between 20' and 30'. What sizes in that range to do guys suspect they will sell, and for what prices?

We will be looking for a 37"+ for the living room. Love to get over 40" but we want a good quality (color, etc) not a cheapie model. Trying to stay under $800

BTW - has anyone purchased an LCD TV from Target (or electronics for that matter) and had to return it (for any reason). How difficult was it?

Thanks!

If I remember correctly Target charges you a restocking fee for returning a TV. They have their return policy posted by customer service, I'd double check next time you're in there.

Panasonic is the best brand for Plasmas.

For LCD I'd say Samsung or Sony. Sony you're going to pay more. I have a 40" Samsung and love it.

:yup: I agree...good info Jamieva

maybe a lcd 47 under $800 or DLP 55-60 for under $800?

Last year I bought a 42" Panasonic Plasma 720P at Best Buy for $999. It was a highly rated model. Boscov's dept store has been advertising this year's model for $999 in their regular Sunday ads.

Based on that I think you will see 42" Plasmas/LCDs around $799 for a brand name. Maybe even less for a OEM brand. I will be in the market for another 42" Plasma.

I also picked up the Panasonic 42 inch plasma at Sears (they priced matched Best Buy and 10% of the difference). This TV has been an absolute joy to have. I even have family coming over just to watch sporting events on it in HD.

im thinking LCDs for $499/599 $200 dollars off is a small amount on BF.
Last year they had 42''s for $599.

I hope I can get a 40 inch HDTV 1080p for less then $700. that would be really awesome. my friend last year stood in line from midnight till 5am at Best buy. he ended up getting a 32inch HDTV 720p for $400. lets hope for the best

we all should be able to

If I remember correctly Target charges you a restocking fee for returning a TV. They have their return policy posted by customer service, I'd double check next time you're in there.

Thanks Andrea. I will.

I also noticed a dead pixel (I guess that's what you call it) on the screen - It's noticable - but only when the screen is showing a dark image (night time or black when fading between 2 programs or what-not). I most likely will return it telling them that.


Here's one other question though. I *may* not be able to actually shop on BF (in the morning) - so what do you all think are the chances of getting a great LCD tv deal around that time?

Anyone think that there will be any of the older style projection HDTV's available? Last year Best Buy had a 51" Hitachi for $699 and Walmart had a 52" RCA for $474. I wouldn't mind getting one for the garage. I would be happy with something like that Walmart deal from last year.

Below is from the Cnet News Blog

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9792826-7.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1082_3-0


LCD panel supply issues could mean higher prices
Posted by Erica Ogg

The price of LCD panels for notebooks and desktop monitors has been on the rise since April, though the increase has not yet been passed on to consumers. But that could change very soon, according to a new report from iSuppli.

Though LCD television prices have stabilized, monitor prices are far more volatile right now. As an example, the average price for a 15-inch notebook display has inched up from $90 to $108 between April and September, according to iSuppli. But during that time, monitor prices did not go up even as panels did, severely eating into the margins of monitor manufacturers.

"We're now reaching a point where profit margin for the monitor supply is really being impacted," said Sweta Dash, director of LCD and projection research at iSuppli. "So already some monitor suppliers are starting to increase their prices $10 to $20." Considering the already tight supply (from a backlog of product in the spring), prices have almost nowhere to go but up.

"Considering all these facts, we don't think monitor prices can continue to go down," said Dash.

But, never fear: the biggest shopping day of the year should still be chock-full of aggressive pricing.

"Black Friday prices may still be aggressive and exciting," said Dash. "Because they make those decisions way earlier, in (the beginning of) Q2 when many system suppliers set panel prices. Since those are contracts, they can't be changed."

I just wanted to add for anyone who wants an HDTV on a budget...We got a 30" widescreen HDTV tube tv from BB. We absolutely LOVE it. We paid around $250 for it. It is still available in-store, but not online. I have a feeling these will be super cheap on BF just because its an older model. If this is the case, we may pick up another. We have been VERY pleasesd with the TV so far. We've had it since Feb. of this year. Not a single issue, pic looks great, and very easy to navigate the controls. For the price, its really a great TV.

Whats a good TV for a bedroom? I have no idea what I need to look for (brand, etc). My husband wants a flat screen for the bedroom wall (LCD I think). Whats the price range of these and do you think they will be available on BF? Im thinking 32"

I'm wondering about this too... want to get one but wondering what's the best kind, size and so on.... it will be about 11 feet away from us when viewing and I'm not sure what size would be best and what projected prices will be. Right now we have a 13"(?) sitting on my dresser and I want my dresser back!!

Any opinions???

I'm a BF newbie. I've been researching new TVs and was set to buy one, when my wife suggested waiting for BF. I've decided which TV I want -- Panasonic TH-50PX77U 50" 720p Plasma HDTV. My question is whether I can expect to find that model on sale, or is BF mostly going to offer less expensive brands? I'm not interested in a Westinghouse or Olevia, etc.

Is it worth waiting? If I can get it online or at Costco for about $1599 now, what might it cost on BF? And what time would I have to get in line at a BB or CC (in Atlanta area)?

I'm a BF newbie. I've been researching new TVs and was set to buy one, when my wife suggested waiting for BF. I've decided which TV I want -- Panasonic TH-50PX77U 50" 720p Plasma HDTV. My question is whether I can expect to find that model on sale, or is BF mostly going to offer less expensive brands? I'm not interested in a Westinghouse or Olevia, etc.

Is it worth waiting? If I can get it online or at Costco for about $1599 now, what might it cost on BF? And what time would I have to get in line at a BB or CC (in Atlanta area)?

not everything is guaranteed to be "best price" simply because it is BF, this is a common misconception. best buy will have westinghouse on sale dirt cheap, that is their thing. of course as you have already discovered they are cheap for a reason.

samsung, pioneer - these are quality models
LG, hitachi, sharp - these are next in line
sony, panasonic - again one step below.

anything else is going to take some research on your part with specific models to determine who manufacturers the panels and parts.

I can't say I'm excited about $1600 for that model, I would wait.

krstee couple of things

LCD is cheaper generally then Plasma.

Up to 42" LCD is best, over that Plasma is best. Generally.

No TV channels broadcast in 1080p at this time and may not for some time. The gap between 720p and 1080i to the naked eye is very small. 1080p will only make a huge difference if you have a HD DVD player too.

They also do not make a plasma any smaller than 42 inches, keep this in mind as well.

Hey guys, I couldn't post the link because I am new here but here is some useful info about HDTV..hope it helps!!


WHAT TYPE OF SCREEN IS BEST??

Many new HDTV owners prefer the design and space-saving advantages of a flat-panel TV. If you do, there are two options: plasma and LCD (liquid crystal diode). Each display delivers beautiful pictures, and each has its own benefits.
Plasma: With larger screen sizes (42"+), plasma prices tend to be lower than LCD. Picture quality is usually very good when watching from different angles, and black levels within images are generally very accurate.

LCD: LCD screens have a wide range of sizes, and smaller ones are often an affordable option for kitchens and bedrooms. LCD models are also more likely to provide computer connectivity, ideal for enjoying downloaded movies.

If flat panels are not your style, there are also cathode-ray tube models and rear-projection cabinet-style TVs. You might even pass on a "traditional" set and select a projector/screen combination.

WHAT IS "720" AND "1080"?

You've probably seen ads touting screens with "720" or "1080." The details can get pretty technical, so we'll keep it simple. First, our general advice: don't worry about these numbers unless you're a hardcore videophile, in which case you probably already own an HDTV.

The numbers refer to the maximum resolution your TV can handle. The formats: 1080i means 1,080 horizontal scan lines refresh on the screen in an interlaced fashion. 720p means 720 lines display progressively. But what does this mean to you?

Not much. First, regardless of your TV's resolution, all HDTVs are required to support both formats. You won't even notice a difference unless you sit very
close to a larger screen, which isn't recommended anyway.

Second, there's no definitive agreement that one format is better. In fact, sports broadcasters usually televise in 720p since it's best for quick motion. There's also a 1080p format, considered the highest resolution. At this time, aside from high-def discs, there's not much 1080p source material available.

WHAT ELSE SHOULD I KNOW?

SCREEN SIZE: Tech writers and reviewers suggest going as big as your room and budget can handle. There's one caveat: if you sit too close to a larger screen, you may sense pixel detail, thus sacrificing overall enjoyment.
NON-HD QUALITY: A non-HD signal—like a standard TV broadcast—won't look sharp and exciting on an HD screen. Depending on the make and model, your HDTV will perform some scaling, but there's not enough visual information to fill your screen as beautifully as HD does.

STORE VISITS: Ask the clerk what you're watching. Is it an HD telecast? A standard DVD? One of the high-def disc formats? That will give you a better idea what to expect from different sources you may connect.

CONNECTING: An HDMI cable is the easiest way to connect audio and video sources to your HDTV. It's a single connection that supports high-definition video and multichannel audio.

Consumer Reports Electronic Blog:

October 17, 2007
Plasma TVs May Be the Biggest Bargains This Holiday Season
If you’ve had a big-screen flat-panel HDTV in your sights for a while, it looks like this fall will be a great time to pull the trigger.

Prices this holiday season are expected to hit an all-time low, about 40 percent cheaper in general than a year ago and as much as 65 percent lower on certain kinds of TVs. There’s growing speculation that the season will start off strong on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, with eye-opening deals, particularly on plasma TVs.

We may see some 42-inch 720p plasmas priced as low as $599 on Black Friday, predicted manufacturers and retailers attending a conference held last week by DisplaySearch, an Austin, Texas-based research firm. According to DisplaySearch forecasts, prices could rebound a bit after the kickoff weekend, averaging closer to $1,000 throughout the holidays. 720p plasmas with 50-inch screens are likely to go for about $1,400 this year, down from $2,300 a year ago. Plasma will finally become competitive in 1080p, with the average price of a full HD 50-inch set dropping sharply, to just under $2,400 by the end of the year, the firm projects.

Discounts will be less dramatic on LCD sets, but prices will be lower. A 40-inch LCD set with 720p resolution will go for about $1,000. Look for bigger price cuts in 1080p, where average selling prices will drop to about $1,500 for a 40-inch set and $2,000 for a 46-incher. Full HD 52-inch LCD TVs will sell for about $2,700. DisplaySearch predicts that 1080p sets will take over the 40-inch and larger category this holiday season, accounting for about 60 percent of all HDTV sales.

Analysts say it’s unlikely TV prices will drop much lower in 2008, so there’s little point in waiting for better bargains next year. True, predictions for less-severe price drops in 2007 haven’t panned out, but this time they could be on the money. According to DisplaySearch presient Ross Young, much of the price cutting we’ve seen this year resulted from a perfect storm of events late in 2006, “where we had too much panel supply, too many brands and too many retailers.”

What does this portend for your holiday shopping? Retailers are likely to steer you to big screens and 1080p sets, which offer them bigger profit margins than smaller screens. Many big-box retailers aren’t actively promoting 40- and 42-inch 720p LCD HDTVs, so it may be harder to find them. Young noted that recent advertising circulars by national chains focused almost exclusively on higher-priced 1080p sets 40 inches and larger. And supplies of 32-inch LCD TVs could be tight as manufacturers shift their focus to more lucrative segments, including digital photo frames and notebook PCs.

That means your best bet of finding a 720p LCD set this holiday season may well be in warehouse clubs such as Costco and Sam’s or at mass merchants such as Wal-Mart or Target. These chains, which have a lower margin structure than traditional retail stores, are becoming a more important outlet for TV sales—and they’re a big reason that Vizio became the number-one flat-panel TV brand in the second quarter of this year, according to data from NPD Group, DisplaySearch’s parent company.

Also, gird yourself for a stronger-than-usual push to load up on extras, such as an extended warranty, cables, wall mounts, and even high-def DVD players and digital receivers. With TV prices and margins falling, stores will need to sell you more of these extras to bolster profits.—James K. Willcox

An article from the New York Times:

Don’t expect kamikaze pricing on LCD TVs this Thanksgiving, but you might find a real deal in a big plasma set. That’s the conclusion reached by Colin McGranahan, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein, who just got back from the DisplaySearch HDTV Conference.
Overall, prices for LCD sets should be about 15 to 19 percent lower than a year ago, not quite the 30 percent price drop of last year. Plasma sets will fall in price by about 25 percent, Mr. McGranahan said. Indeed, you may well be able to pick up a 42-inch plasma set for less than $600 on the Friday after Thanksgiving.
Supply may be a little tight for 20-inch to 32-inch sets from the second- and third-tier manufacturers, Vizio and Syntax-Brillian, the maker of the Olivia brand, which are gaining the most share.
The lower-priced makers are benefiting from a softening of HD mania and a strong preference by consumers for lower-priced sets, Mr. McGranahan wrote. HD sales were actually lower in the second quarter of this year from a year earlier, both in dollars and the number of actual sets sold.
The top-tier brands, especially Sony and Samsung, are losing share, and thus they aren’t suffering from supply shortages. These companies have to differentiate their products through fancy features like higher resolution, frame rate and contrast ratios. This has made the gap between the high and low price points for a given size, Mr. McGranahan wrote, as wide “as the price differential of a Toyota Camry versus a Mercedes S Class!”

This approach may well be a mistake for the high-end brands, he concluded:

In our view, the major shift in the TV market from older CRT sets to ATV sets is largely complete. We think enhancements within the ATV space will not be as valuable given that many of the early-stage (last few years) ATV features are still considerably better than what most consumers were accustomed to with CRT sets; i.e. we think consumers will settle for low- to mid-tier TVs because they will be far better than the CRT sets that they replace.

LINK >>>>>> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/black-friday-alert-big-plasma-sets-on-sale/

Shocker: HDTV price wars headed for Black Friday

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/23/shocker-hdtv-price-wars-headed-for-black-friday/


It's not like this type of activity doesn't happen every day-after-Thanksgiving here in the US of A, but 2007 is being seen as a banner year for "aggressive pricing" come Black Friday. As expected, competition will likely be most heated in the 40- to 42-inch range, where plasma and LCD manufacturers will both be vying for business from eager consumers. Furthermore, RPTVs and 720p sets in general are expected to sport rock-bottom pricetags as they attempt to compete with the fresher, more attractive 1080p flat-panels. As for pricing, analysts expect the lowest stickers to be found on Olevia, Westinghouse and Vizio sets, while other "top-tier brands" slash hundreds off in an attempt to still look appealing. Whatever the case, we'd suggest you gear up for madness if you're scouting a new HDTV on Black Friday, but apparently, the savings will make the mayhem worth dealing with.

anybody know anything about this TV:

Samsung HLR6167W 61" DLP Widescreen HDTV with Digital Cable Ready Tuner

found on buy.com for $1380

I'm hoping for :

42" Plasma ($600 or less) [Sears has this deal currently]

37" LCD ($500 or less)

32" LCD ($350 or less)

If I come out of the day with any of those deals, my PERSONAL christmas is complete :) Only thing left would be to get a new home theater system.

Dh and I are thinking about getting a new tv on bf. My question is what is the difference bewteen LCD and plasma and HD and all that? We don't have cable or a dish and not looking for the newest and best out there. Just need to know the basics and what not to buy or is a waste of money. Also what is HDMI and the difference between 1080p and 1080i. Also thinking about getting a home theater system. Anything in Sears bf ad look like a great deal on a good tv for us? Thanks for any help and info or sites to check out.

42" Plasma ($600 or less) [Sears has this deal currently]

37" LCD ($500 or less)

32" LCD ($350 or less)

I agree these prices seem about right for a good and not unrealistic deal. Unfortunately, Sears didn't deliver the goods.

I'm hoping for :

42" Plasma ($600 or less) [Sears has this deal currently]

37" LCD ($500 or less)

32" LCD ($350 or less)

If I come out of the day with any of those deals, my PERSONAL christmas is complete :) Only thing left would be to get a new home theater system.
I like the way you think but am personally hoping that 32" may hit $300... namebrand type. I do not need anything bigger than 32" but if there are some good sets at 37" that are ~$400 that would be hard to pass up.

Just read where Office Depot is rumored (with several employees confirming) to have a Olevia 37 inch for $300 on BF. Not sure if this is with a rebate or not. Again just a rumor from a OD employee and was confirmed by others who have friends who work at OD. I guess we'll see if it's true soon enough. I'd love this for Christmas.

Damn...sears new ad just hurt my heart :(

That Olevia 37" for $300, if true, I'm THERE!

Hi,
I was wondering if you tv experts would tell me what you think about this tv?
We were at Sears the other day and saw it was on sale.It was just lovely :)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000QDBYII/interactiveda663-20

Last year the panasonics were rated really well but I wasn't sure about this one.Thank you SO much,
Jenn

Dh and I are thinking about getting a new tv on bf. My question is what is the difference bewteen LCD and plasma and HD and all that? We don't have cable or a dish and not looking for the newest and best out there. Just need to know the basics and what not to buy or is a waste of money. Also what is HDMI and the difference between 1080p and 1080i. Also thinking about getting a home theater system. Anything in Sears bf ad look like a great deal on a good tv for us? Thanks for any help and info or sites to check out.

First I will mention this message board your should visit and join
http://www.avsforum.com/

It is by far the biggest and best community out there for Audio Video, it deals with everything home theater and everything pretty much electronic in your house. There are tons of people there to you help you and doing a search will give you any answers you ask.

Anyway ..

The short explanation of HDMI is that it passes both audio and video through one cable.

the difference between 1080i and 1080p can be very much or pretty much unoticeable.

1080i is the old interlaced format that tv's have used for decades(although 1080 is relatively new itself , it just uses old ways)

Basically - 480i-720i-1080i , 480i is your standard digital television the higher you go the better the picture hense HDTV, this "i" format uses the old interlaced method though

1080p - stands for progressive, it is the new format but is really only useful on tv's over 50", the larger the TV you get the more you should go with a 1080p TV. If you are going to get a smaller tv then just get 1080i, you will not see any difference on something less than 50".

Basically the big difference is that you can sit really close to the tv with 1080p and you will not get that "screen door" effect as you would with 1080i.

Also just to note nothing is broadcast at all in 1080p via your cable/satellite/FIOS, The only place to get 1080p will be from a HDDVD/Blueray player, or the xbox 360 HDDVD addon.

for more info go that the forum i mentioned above you can get alot more detail about it if you want, i just kind of gave the really quick version.

Big thing to look for when LCD shopping is contrast ratio. This is the measure of how "vivid" the tv will look, the higher the better. The sears ad for the Sharp Aquos is bangin' :yup:

Hi,
I was wondering if you tv experts would tell me what you think about this tv?
We were at Sears the other day and saw it was on sale.It was just lovely :)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000QDBYII/interactiveda663-20

Last year the panasonics were rated really well but I wasn't sure about this one.Thank you SO much,
Jenn

I prefer LCD over plasma. If it's going to be watched alot then the LCD will outlast the plasma considerably and is cheaper. Checkout www.avsforum.com for home theatre advice.

Ahhh,yes it will be watched alot.....and alot of video gaming going on,too :)
Thank you very much.Looks like I have alot more reading to do on these tvs.
Jenn

Big thing to look for when LCD shopping is contrast ratio. This is the measure of how "vivid" the tv will look, the higher the better. The sears ad for the Sharp Aquos is bangin' :yup:

I am SO ignorant about this stuff,I appreciate you all so vert much.
The ratio for this tv is 1200:1 right?I have been reading to watch for the 720 and 1080.I didn't know about that.
So you all think the 42" Sharp lcd (the Aquos for 999) will be better than the 50" Panasonic plasma.I don't mind spending more for a tv that's going to last longer and is better all around...<well I am not wanting to spend 4 or 5,000! >
We were looking at the panasonic I posted for about 2100.
Thanks SO much!
Jenn

Any thoughts on the Panasonic 56 in. LIFI HDTC with 1080p on sale at Sears on BF?

I too have been in the marjet for a bigger TV for the livingroom, but my head spins :cheesy: when I see what is out there...our livingroom is rather large so I think we need a bigger TV room is 20x18...Any help I would be greatful...this TV is normally 1800.00 but shold be on sale for 1200.00.....YEAH I think!:confused: :confused:

I am SO ignorant about this stuff,I appreciate you all so vert much.
The ratio for this tv is 1200:1 right?I have been reading to watch for the 720 and 1080.I didn't know about that.
So you all think the 42" Sharp lcd (the Aquos for 999) will be better than the 50" Panasonic plasma.I don't mind spending more for a tv that's going to last longer and is better all around...<well I am not wanting to spend 4 or 5,000! >
We were looking at the panasonic I posted for about 2100.
Thanks SO much!
Jenn
The whole 720p and 1080p, note some tvs will be 720i or 1080i, is a kind of cat in the box theory. If you are looking at tvs that are 40" or less in screen size you can buy a 720p and not worry about getting a 1080p 40" tv to save some money. The 1080p description comes into play when the screen gets bigger. Talking about buying a 50" or larger screen then 1080p is what you want. 1080p on a smaller screen is simply not needed.

Big thing to look for when LCD shopping is contrast ratio. This is the measure of how "vivid" the tv will look, the higher the better. The sears ad for the Sharp Aquos is bangin' :yup:

The contrast is what I was wondering about. Is the 1000:1 good for a 32 inch or does it need to be higher?

The whole 720p and 1080p, note some tvs will be 720i or 1080i, is a kind of cat in the box theory. If you are looking at tvs that are 40" or less in screen size you can buy a 720p and not worry about getting a 1080p 40" tv to save some money. The 1080p description comes into play when the screen gets bigger. Talking about buying a 50" or larger screen then 1080p is what you want. 1080p on a smaller screen is simply not needed.

Thank you very much :)
Jenn

well I like the OD rumor wife and I need a new bedroom tv:) also hi I am new and looking forward to all this:)

I am SO ignorant about this stuff,I appreciate you all so vert much.
The ratio for this tv is 1200:1 right?I have been reading to watch for the 720 and 1080.I didn't know about that.
So you all think the 42" Sharp lcd (the Aquos for 999) will be better than the 50" Panasonic plasma.I don't mind spending more for a tv that's going to last longer and is better all around...<well I am not wanting to spend 4 or 5,000! >
We were looking at the panasonic I posted for about 2100.
Thanks SO much!
Jenn


The Sharp I was referring to is the 46" Aquos for $999 which is an awesome deal. Pany makes a good tv as well. I have a 53" rear projection HD Pany that is two years old and still looks great. Plasmas have a great picture but if it's going to be a daily use tv then the plasma will not hold up and is very susceptible to burn-in from video games. The forum I posted is one of the best when it comes to HD stuff, ask the pros over there what their opinion is. Also I know it will be next to impossible to stand in front of a couple different sets on BF with the rush but if you can go check them out ahead of time and compare in person that's the way to do it. Salesmen will purposely adjust the lower-priced models to look crappy just to get you to spend more on a higher-priced unit (trust me, I worked at worst buy for a year part-time to deck out my house, some of the shadiest characters I've ever met but that's a whole other story). Spend some time adjusting the models your interested in and then pick the one you like the best.


Brian

The Sharp I was referring to is the 46" Aquos for $999 which is an awesome deal. Pany makes a good tv as well. I have a 53" rear projection HD Pany that is two years old and still looks great. Plasmas have a great picture but if it's going to be a daily use tv then the plasma will not hold up and is very susceptible to burn-in from video games. The forum I posted is one of the best when it comes to HD stuff, ask the pros over there what their opinion is. Also I know it will be next to impossible to stand in front of a couple different sets on BF with the rush but if you can go check them out ahead of time and compare in person that's the way to do it. Salesmen will purposely adjust the lower-priced models to look crappy just to get you to spend more on a higher-priced unit (trust me, I worked at worst buy for a year part-time to deck out my house, some of the shadiest characters I've ever met but that's a whole other story). Spend some time adjusting the models your interested in and then pick the one you like the best.


Brian

Thanks so much Brian :)
I had meant the 46" Sharp but typed 42,I apologize.
I plan on hitting wal mart early in the morning (IF the laptop's specs are pretty decent) so I will swing by Sears too.Our Sears is just the appliances,tvs,tools...stuff like that....no clothes and stuf like that.To find a full stocked Sears I have to travel like 2.5 hrs.
Thanks for the link,I will be there alot!
Hae a great day,
Jenn

Hi all,

It is that time of year again....

And I am planning on getting an HD tv this year for the black friday deals...

What I was wondering is, will any of the big box stores let you purchase an item at one store... But actually pick up that product later, at another store across the country? Reason is I will be travelling to Florida, but I am here in Chicago... no way I can take that thing back with me on the plane...
I guess I could ship it, but after store tax... it might be cheaper to order from newegg or something.

Thoughts?

I think you would be better off waiting till you get home and either finding a good deal in store when you get back or going somewhere like buy.com online.

Any idea on what a 1080p 42" LCD is going to run for??? I need the 1080p for ps3/blu ray, and my computer. I don't have cable so the hd portion is what concerns me most for those other items.

First I will mention this message board your should visit and join
http://www.avsforum.com/

It is by far the biggest and best community out there for Audio Video, it deals with everything home theater and everything pretty much electronic in your house. There are tons of people there to you help you and doing a search will give you any answers you ask.

Anyway ..

The short explanation of HDMI is that it passes both audio and video through one cable.

the difference between 1080i and 1080p can be very much or pretty much unoticeable.

1080i is the old interlaced format that tv's have used for decades(although 1080 is relatively new itself , it just uses old ways)

Basically - 480i-720i-1080i , 480i is your standard digital television the higher you go the better the picture hense HDTV, this "i" format uses the old interlaced method though

1080p - stands for progressive, it is the new format but is really only useful on tv's over 50", the larger the TV you get the more you should go with a 1080p TV. If you are going to get a smaller tv then just get 1080i, you will not see any difference on something less than 50".

Basically the big difference is that you can sit really close to the tv with 1080p and you will not get that "screen door" effect as you would with 1080i.

Also just to note nothing is broadcast at all in 1080p via your cable/satellite/FIOS, The only place to get 1080p will be from a HDDVD/Blueray player, or the xbox 360 HDDVD addon.

for more info go that the forum i mentioned above you can get alot more detail about it if you want, i just kind of gave the really quick version.


Thank you so much for the info. I will check out the forum as well and maybe I'll know what I am looking for by bf, lol.

Sorry, but I disagree that the Sharp Aquos at 999 is "an awesome deal." Granted, I am definitely not pro-LCD (I'd consider myself neutral with perhaps a slight preference for plasma, which I'll explain the reasoning for in a bit). If you're interested in why the Sharp specifically does not excite me, you can see my posts in the BF ad thread and the F&F sale thread (where the price is actually somewhat better).

Some quick points:
-avsforum IS an excellent place for information. I've been an active member there for a couple years now (under a different username), and have learned TONS

-Playing games or using a computer is really not very problematic on a modern plasma. As long as certain precautions are taken early in a plasma's life, any burn in that does occur is almost always correctable. I have seen this first hand many times.

-Power consumption for plasma is higher, though my understanding is that the difference is shrinking. Heat is also definitely more of an issue (my wife and I noticed temperature differences in the room with it on).

-Life span difference is also of debatable worth. If we're talking about a lifespan of at least 15 years, is, say, 20 years really that much of a factor? Especially since by that time, "TV" will consist of holographic images being directly transmitted into our brains :)

-Contrast as a general rule is MUCH more important than resolution. This is a fact that is lost on many people. The reason is simple: to see a difference in resolution, one must sit within a certain distance of the screen (dependent on the screen size). A difference in contrast is easy to spot at any distance. Secondly, "detail" can take different forms. Yes, an increase in resolution definitely brings out more detail all other things being equal. However, an increase in contrast also brings out more detail. On a set with high contrast, a black cape (for example, say Batman's) would appear to have lots of detail, with waves and ripples in the fabric pretty clearly visible. On a low contrast set, it appears as a single black "blob." Obviously detail is lost, and increasing resolution in this situation wouldn't help at all.

-These are certainly not the only differences, but just the main ones either addressed already or that I can think of off the top of my head.

Basically, contrast is the reason I currently prefer plasma, especially in the budget realm. While good LCD contrast ratios exist, they are not typically in budget sets because buzzwords like the size or "1080p" are more important to most consumers right now. Budget sets usually require sacrifices, and in this case, contrast is the easy one to make. For BF at Sears, I think the highest contrast LCD was 3000:1 (the Sharp). The LOWEST plasma resolution you will see is about 10,000:1, and the Samsung plasma at Sears is 15,000:1. Now these numbers are often fudged to some degree, but they still give an accurate picture of how, in the area of contrast, the BF LCDs are not even in the same league as plasma. Will that change eventually? Almost undoubtedly, possibly even next year. LCD is really making a lot more progress in advancing their technology than plasma is. In fact, some LCD projectors already claim contrast ratios of 50,000:1, I think. But for direct view, we're not there yet.

Obviously, much of this is just my opinion, but it is an opinion that has been formed from hours and hours of reading at avsforum, combined with my own experience. Hopefully it helps clear things up a little, and at the very least help people realize that there are LOTS of things to consider when debating LCD or plasma.

Any thoughts on the Sanyo 50" Plasma for $998 tomorrow at Wal-Mart?

Any chance there will be better deals on BF?

i doubt you will find a 50 inch plasma any cheaper on black friday than the one going on sale at walmart tomorrow.

FWIW, I gave a mini-review of the 42" sibling of the 50" plasma in the other thread found here (http://forums.gottadeal.com/showthread.php?t=86138&page=4). I also mentioned over there that I suspect there will be deals at least this good on BF, or at least the same price for better brands. Now that's just speculation, but I do have reasons.

Just last week (or the week before), CompUSA was clearing out two different models of plasma for 999. Granted, they weren't readily available (esp. with all the recent store closings), but the price is certainly not unprecedented. Then there's the Sears F&F sale which I THINK will provide a better brand at a lower price (I'm still trying to confirm this). Of course, I know from experience that this Sanyo, while a good price, will not work well for me, and so that obviously affects my enthusiasm for the deal too.

Obviously, much of this is just my opinion, but it is an opinion that has been formed from hours and hours of reading at avsforum, combined with my own experience. Hopefully it helps clear things up a little, and at the very least help people realize that there are LOTS of things to consider when debating LCD or plasma.

Thank you very much for adding your opinion,I appreciate it alot!
You've given me alot more to think about!
Jenn

I posted this in the F&F deal thread, but thought it would be relevant here too, especially since some may not be checking that thread. I just copied and pasted for convenience.


A Sears employee on another board mentioned that on the F&F day, there would be an additional 10% Cash Back mail in rebate. While I see no mention of this in the ad, Sears has run this promotion a couple different times in the last month or so, so it's certainly not unheard of and wouldn't be surprising. Since this makes the prices even better, I figured I would update the list, accounting for the new rebate.

non-doorbusters
LG 37" LCD: 900-50-MIR = 850-85MIR = 765
Sony 37" LCD: 1000-5%-50-MIR = 900-90MIR = 810
Samsung 40" LCD: 1200-5%-150-MIR = 990-MIR = 891
Toshiba 42" 1080p LCD: 1250-5%-150-MIR = 1037.50-103.75MIR = 933.75
LG 42" plasma: 900-150-MIR = 750-75MIR = 675
Samsung 50" plasma: 1400-5%-250-MIR = 1080-108MIR = 972
Samsung 46" 1080p LCD: 2000-5%-250-MIR = 1650-165MIR = 1485
Proscan 42" 1080p LCD: 900-150-MIR = 750-75MIR = 675
Samsung 61" DLP projection: 2000-5%-250-MIR = 1650-165MIR = 1485
Sony 46" LCD: 1500-5%-250-MIR = 1175-117.50MIR = 1057.5
Sony 50" 1080p projection LCD: 1400-5%-250-MIR = 1080-108MIR = 972
Panasonic 26" LCD: 650-50-MIR = 600-60MIR = 540
Samsung 19" LCD: 330-50-MIR = 280-28MIR = 252

Doorbusters using the "after noon" price
46" Sharp LCD: 1200-5%-150-MIR = 990-99MIR = 891
40" Sony 1080p LCD: 1700-5%-150-MIR = 1465-146.5MIR = 1318.50
42" Sylvania 1080p LCD: 1000-5%-150-MIR = 800-80MIR = 720
56" Panasonic LCD projection: 1500-5%-250-MIR = 1175-117.50MIR = 1057.50
32" Vizio ($598) LCD: 630-50-MIR = 580-58MIR = 522

Who needs Black Friday ;)

The Vizio 32 inch LCD is selling for $598 regular price at Walmart right now and has been that way for a couple of months. Most likely it will be cheaper on black friday than it is at reqular price.

Just purchased a Toshiba 42" LCD 1080p from Circuit City. An on-line web special for this week only. Although I didn't purchase on-line. I called the store and asked if they would honor the price.... they did! $1299.00

I compared to the Sears BF ad posted here - $1269. For the $30 extra I can have the TV mounted and ready for the Packer/Lions Thanksgiving game!

46" Sharp LCD: 1200-5%-150-MIR = 990-99MIR = 891

What do you think about this one? It caught my eye :)
Thanks,
Jenn

Anyone hear anything more about that rumored Office Depot 37 inch LCD for 300 bucks?

should I wait in line for hours for a plain ole tv? I think the ones that are in high demand are the hdtv's and the lcd tv's. We just want one for $100 or less for my daughter. What do you all think? :tongue1:


Dont get a television other than a digital one. The FCC 's date to stop sending analog signals is January 2008. Your television will be no good without a either a satalite box, or a cable box.

jfire

maybe the Westinghouse 42'' or 47'' for under $800?

Don't get a westinghouse lcd I work part time at a retailer, and we get those back all the time for warranty issues. The screens they use are very cheap. Look at one next to another tv and you can totally tell the difference. And make sure to only buy 1080p, you will be dissapointed if you dont. All of the networks will be broadcasting in that format within the next year. Pay a little more and get it.

jfire

And make sure to only buy 1080p, you will be dissapointed if you dont. All of the networks will be broadcasting in that format within the next year. Pay a little more and get it.

This is exactly the "advice" I would expect from someone who works part time at a retailer. :rolleyes:

Even if you did somehow know for a fact (and you don't) that everyone looking for a new set will be disappointed if they don't get 1080p, your statement about the networks could not be more false.

Is there any LCD or Plazma Tv posted yet? I'm sure this year i want one around 35inch

This is exactly the "advice" I would expect from someone who works part time at a retailer. :rolleyes:

Even if you did somehow know for a fact (and you don't) that everyone looking for a new set will be disappointed if they don't get 1080p, your statement about the networks could not be more false.

Look at a 720p and a 1080p next to one another getting a signal from a hd-dvd or blue ray disc, or a gaming system and then tell me what you think. Also the golden standard is now 1080p, anything else and down the road you will be dissapointed you never coughed up the extra dough for the 1080p.

Dont get a television other than a digital one. The FCC 's date to stop sending analog signals is January 2008. Your television will be no good without a either a satalite box, or a cable box.

jfire


That is incorrect. It is February 17, 2009 that OVER THE AIR analog broadcast will cease. If you have satellite, cable, or some other TV plan that does not use rabbit ears to get a signal, your TV WILL continue to operate just fine. But at some date in 2012 these operators will have to switch to digital on their networks, THEN NO analog TV's will work without a converter box.

Is there any LCD or Plazma Tv posted yet? I'm sure this year i want one around 35inch

there's a 40" in the sears ad

Look at a 720p and a 1080p next to one another getting a signal from a hd-dvd or blue ray disc, or a gaming system and then tell me what you think. Also the golden standard is now 1080p, anything else and down the road you will be dissapointed you never coughed up the extra dough for the 1080p.

Under 42" I don't think many people will notice the difference between a 720p/1080i set and an 1080p set.

Hi,
I was wondering if you tv experts would tell me what you think about this tv?
We were at Sears the other day and saw it was on sale.It was just lovely :)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000QDBYII/interactiveda663-20

Last year the panasonics were rated really well but I wasn't sure about this one.Thank you SO much,
Jenn

How much was it at sears??? It is a nice set!

Sears TV isnt a 1080P!!!

Does anyone know where I can get a 46'/50' or bigger LCD TV blackfriday?

I def want 1080p too!!! Any help would be great! I'm new to all this!!

Thanks again:)

The Sears Ad lists a Toshiba 42" (42HD167) for $1249. This is a 1080p and we just purchased it from Circuit City for $1299. I don't know if either of these prices are good, but they are the best I have seen in a while.

The Sears Ad lists a Toshiba 42" (42HD167) for $1249. This is a 1080p and we just purchased it from Circuit City for $1299. I don't know if either of these prices are good, but they are the best I have seen in a while.


Sorry... I thought that you were talking about the Sharp Aquos 46" LCD HDTV - $999.99 in the sears blackfriday ad... ;)

Look at a 720p and a 1080p next to one another getting a signal from a hd-dvd or blue ray disc, or a gaming system and then tell me what you think. Also the golden standard is now 1080p, anything else and down the road you will be dissapointed you never coughed up the extra dough for the 1080p.

This is somewhat misleading. The biggest difference in quality tends to be the compression ratio of whatever source you're watching, not necessarily whether it is 720p/1080i/1080p. The beauty of BluRay is that it has enough space to allow the manufacturer to be generous with the level of compression (in this case meaning that they don't have to compress as much). This leads to a significantly better picture that most people would be hard pressed to determine the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 42" set or smaller.

I also wouldn't expect too many non media based sources (i.e. satellite/cable/OTA) to switch to 1080p any time soon. Right now those providers are fighting for QUANTITY, not quality. You can fit twice as many channels (all other things being more or less equal) at 1080i than you can at 1080p. Also, consider that the direct upstream providers can downscale the signal as well (e.g. even if ESPN broadcasts the SuperBowl in 1080p, doesn't mean that your cable company will send it to you in 1080p).

If the difference between comparable 1080i/720p and 1080p is relatively small, then by all means go for the 1080p (esp if you already have a PS3). But I have a feeling that, this year at least, that manufacturers are making most of their profits from the 1080p sets "while bringing them in the stores" with the 1080i/720p sets, keeping the price differential sufficiently high enough to make the cheaper sets a much better deal.

I guess its just my thought, that if I am gonna be forking aout $1000 dollars for a tv, why not pay 200 or 300 more to make sure I got the best out there. And this thing about the competing formats blue ray and hddvd, what the hell, where back to the days of vhs and beta. The induustry needs to adopt a standard and go with it. Just my thoughts.....

Looks like all you guys did your homework....

What stores have the best LCD's TV's for sale....thats the real question... ??? :D

I guess its just my thought, that if I am gonna be forking aout $1000 dollars for a tv, why not pay 200 or 300 more to make sure I got the best out there. And this thing about the competing formats blue ray and hddvd, what the hell, where back to the days of vhs and beta. The induustry needs to adopt a standard and go with it. Just my thoughts.....

$200/$300 more? Heck, this is the Black Fridays forums. People will literally throw away 16 hours of their lives standing in line in the freezing cold all night long just to save that much money ;)

angelic680 - please define "best LCD tv's". Are you literally wondering which stores carry the tv's that are rated as amongst the best? Or are you looking for the stores with the best deals?

Looks like all you guys did your homework....

What stores have the best LCD's TV's for sale....thats the real question... ??? :D

fry's is good. I'm looking at the Sony XBR4 or the Samsung 71F series.

$200/$300 more? Heck, this is the Black Fridays forums. People will literally throw away 16 hours of their lives standing in line in the freezing cold all night long just to save that much money ;)

angelic680 - please define "best LCD tv's". Are you literally wondering which stores carry the tv's that are rated as amongst the best? Or are you looking for the stores with the best deals?



bitWrangler ~ I'm looking for the stores that are going to have the best deals on TV's (LCD) for BLACKFRIDAY! :)

fry's is good. I'm looking at the Sony XBR4 or the Samsung 71F series.

Are those going on sale black friday?

I recognize the debate over 720p versus 1080p, but I think I might grab the Panasonic TH-50PX75U at Sears F&F night, before BF. Although this 50 in. plasma is only 720p, many reviews (CR being one) have it second only to its 1080p sibling, which is an additional $1000, give or take.

We gave it a good HD-DVD feed comparison to several other sets, including the 1080p version and thought its picture was excellent. It should be in the vicinity of $1250-$1280 at the Sears sale this weekend. Unless Best Buy has something better, that's where we are leaning right now. If the 1080p version were only $200 more, rather than a $1000, it would be a tougher choice.

bitWrangler ~ I'm looking for the stores that are going to have the best deals on TV's (LCD) for BLACKFRIDAY! :)

Well, I guess you're just going to have to wait like the rest of us :)

But if last year as an example (and realizing that my memory sucks), I seem to recall that amazingly enough, Home Depot had decent deals (and even better you were able to purchase the tv's before BF). I remember BB not having anything worth waiting in line for. I also remember Fry's being a bit of a letdown (at least with regards to TV's).

That being said, it can all change this year (sorry, I'm not privvy to any inside info).

Look at a 720p and a 1080p next to one another getting a signal from a hd-dvd or blue ray disc, or a gaming system and then tell me what you think.

Well, if I'm doing this comparison in a store (which is where I think most if not all comparisons would take place), "what I think" is that the 1080p set was calibrated WAY better to make the difference (which I'm not denying exists) even more obvious....but that's just the conspiracy theorist in me :) For example, as I posted earlier in the thread, contrast can bring out detail too, so if the 720p set has its contrast settings all out of whack, it would be even easier to say, "Wow, look at the amount of extra detail I'm getting from 1080p." Well, SOME is due to the 1080p, but some is due to the intentionally poor calibration of the cheaper set. And stores pull these sorts of stunts all the time because their only objective is to sell expensive stuff.

What bothers me (possibly more than warranted) is a) (always dangerous) blanket statements like "you will be disappointed" and b) the flat out false information about networks broadcasting 1080p. I just hate to see the spread of misinformation, and that is exactly what the latter is, pure and simple.

Anyway, I think people in general need to be aware of a few things about 1080p when purchasing HDTVs.

-1080p really only matters if sitting sufficiently close to the screen. Use this link (http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html) to help you determine if 1080p would even help you.
-HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, XBOX 360, and PS3 are the ONLY 1080p sources right now. If you don't have one of those four, 1080p will not help you until you do (or something else comes along).
-The price difference for 1080p is often more than just a couple hundred bucks for sets of comparable quality. For example, I'm in the market for a 50" plasma right now. I would have to approximately double my budget (from about $1K to about $2K) to get a 1080p set. This is more than $200-300. And the sizes where the difference in prices might be that small are the sizes that do not benefit from 1080p that much anyway.
-Resolution is NOT the most important aspect of picture quality. Don't believe me? Then refer to ISF (Image Science Foundation), who provide the true "golden standard" for picture quality. To them it's the FOURTH most important thing (contrast, color saturation, and color accuracy are all ahead).

If you would like more info about 1080p, this article (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6661274-1.html?tag=ms) at Cnet might be helpful, even if it is a bit outdated.

As for me, I'd rather buy a very affordable 720p set now, and when 1080p comes down to about the same level (which probably will not be terribly long), buy one of those too. This would cost me about the same as a 1080p would cost me today. But I get to keep half of that money in my pocket for a while, plus I end up with TWO sets.

Whew, that was longer than I intended ;)

bitWrangler ~ I'm looking for the stores that are going to have the best deals on TV's (LCD) for BLACKFRIDAY! :)

Well, if you're looking for the best deal, be careful not to limit yourself to just BF. In fact, Sears Friends and Family Sale is, according to Sears itself, going to be better than BF for them (this is what a Sears associate told me, and the evidence is there).

Well, if you're looking for the best deal, be careful not to limit yourself to just BF. In fact, Sears Friends and Family Sale is, according to Sears itself, going to be better than BF for them (this is what a Sears associate told me, and the evidence is there).

evidence....show me the evidence....LoL

The price difference for 1080p is often more than just a couple hundred bucks for sets of comparable quality. For example, I'm in the market for a 50" plasma right now. I would have to approximately double my budget (from about $1K to about $2K) to get a 1080p set. This is more than $200-300. And the sizes where the difference in prices might be that small are the sizes that do not benefit from 1080p that much anyway.

As for me, I'd rather buy a very affordable 720p set now, and when 1080p comes down to about the same level (which probably will not be terribly long), buy one of those too. This would cost me about the same as a 1080p would cost me today. But I get to keep half of that money in my pocket for a while, plus I end up with TWO sets.

Whew, that was longer than I intended ;)

:yup: It may have been a little longer than you intended, but it's appreciated and good info. Like I said above in post #139, the picture quality on the Panasonic I looked at was excellent. At under $1300, plus another $98 for my new HD-DVD player, I am set with a great screen and it doesn't blow up the budget.

Thanks for the good info.

Anyone know if there is still the issue with manufacturers advertising their tv's as being "1080p" but not supporting that resolution with HDMI? This was a common problem last year around this time, example being some Emprex sets sold by Fry's.

What is the difference between plasma and LCD, and which is better?

What is the difference between plasma and LCD, and which is better?

There is a massive difference in the actual tv construction, but generally very little difference as a whole in performance. Now you'll see all sorts of different specs, numbers showing plasma as having better contrast or brightness, etc. I would recommend that you don't get caught up in the numbers and let your eyes decide, as measured performance rarely lives up to it's billing in real world comparisons.

You should pick a price and/or size point, then go out and shop based on that. Look at both plasmas and LCD's. So as an example, set your budget, say $1000, then go out and look at all the tv's in that range within the given size range that you're interested in, say 37-46".

One word of caution, when it comes to brightness, don't be afraid to ask the dealer (or do it yourself) to adjust the brightness up or down. Generally the brightness levels are jacked up in the stores to make the tv's look better (and they can be set up or down depending on which tv's the dealer wants to make look better). As a matter of fact, many flat screen tv's even come with a "dealer showroom" preset just for this purpose. You would never run the tv at these brightness levels at home.

Don't forget to consider items such as:

- number of HDMI inputs. You may have only 1 now (or even none). But when you get that PS3 and the hidef cable/satellite box, then suddenly you'll need at least two. Want to add your PC (assuming it has HDMI), theirs three.

- if you still watch standard def content, BE SURE to check out a standard def signal on the tv. Different tv's handle standard def content differently, and there IS a difference (even among the same tv's in a product line).

- if you have an older armoire that you are considering putting the tv into, today's tv's have their speakers either on the sides or on the bottom. Those with the speakers on the sides may not fit horizontally into older armoires.

- plasmas tend to be heavier and more fragile than their LCD counterparts. If you are inclined to move the tv around (e.g. you are an apartment dweller and you move ever year), you might want to consider an LCD.

- Don't purchase the dealers over inflated HDMI cables. Last year it seemed like the cheapest cables most dealers were selling were north of $75. If a cable follows the HDMI spec, then even a $12 cable from Big Lots (they have them) will do just as good as a $140 Monster Cable at any length < 12 feet.

I'm sure there are plenty of other things people can chime in on, and I have to go home, so I'll leave it at that :)

Depends on the camping out. I get up at 4AM, go to Wal-Mart by 5PM and just an hour wait, whihc a long line is after me. And yes, I get those deals. I learned long ago how to shop. if have hubby with me, he gets the cart and goes to the bif thign we want. me I dart in and out amog the crowds and get the small deals we want. We done and out by no later than 7AM if not earlier.

Another thing, on buying an HDTV--get one that is a good name brand. Buying a cheap product mostly doesn't last long. We got a cheap DVD player for our son couple years ago and it last year tops. Our higher priced nam brand DVd player was gotten 5 years ago and is still going strong. It even lets us know if the DVD we rented is drty and refuses to play it. And yes, we got it on sale--not on BF though. Do your homework ahead of time to know what is really good to buy, then that deal really is a deal.

Here's a question for the group. Right now I have a projection a 52 inch HD monitor that is 1080i capable which I bought on BF in 2004. It has no HDMI connection, just component. Is there a DVD where upconversion would work, or do you have to have a HDMI connector?

Also, should I spring $169 for a HD receiver for my monitor?

Another thing, on buying an HDTV--get one that is a good name brand. Buying a cheap product mostly doesn't last long. We got a cheap DVD player for our son couple years ago and it last year tops. Our higher priced nam brand DVd player was gotten 5 years ago and is still going strong. It even lets us know if the DVD we rented is drty and refuses to play it. And yes, we got it on sale--not on BF though. Do your homework ahead of time to know what is really good to buy, then that deal really is a deal.

I'd add a word of caution. The real trick is simply knowing who the "good names" are. Keep in mind that for the majority of TV manufacturers, they simply source their materials and integrate them. So an LCD TV from some manufacturer might have an LG panel, with a HiMax chipset, and various and sundry glue logic. So if you want to get into that level of detail, you really need to do your homework. At a higher level, be sure to find out what the warranty policy is for both the manufacturer and the dealer. Also be warned that, like I mentioned in my previous post, it is not at all uncommon for different models in the same family of tv's to have radically different components (panels, chipsets, etc) so be sure to research the specific model you're interested in. As an example, while Sony makes some nice units, often times particular models of Sony products have a very bad rep (and deservedly so), so be sure to research the particular model you're interested in. Also, Sony (not to pick on them, I do love them and have many of their products, but ....) has been known to not have the best customer service in the world if you do have a problem, but again, this varies.

Here's a question for the group. Right now I have a projection a 52 inch HD monitor that is 1080i capable which I bought on BF in 2004. It has no HDMI connection, just component. Is there a DVD where upconversion would work, or do you have to have a HDMI connector?

Also, should I spring $169 for a HD receiver for my monitor?

There are players that will upconvert DVD over component with a hack, perhaps this link (http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/06/20/ask-hd-beat-dvd-upconverting-over-component/) will help.

$169 seems high for just a receiver, although I know that is the typical price. I have seen them as low as 90 (clearance with a coupon at Sears), but that was some time ago. Personally, since I can't live without a DVR, an ATSC receiver would be just about my last choice for HDTV, after HTPC, satellite DVR, and cable DVR. But if none of those are options, I guess it should be at least considered.

Here's a question for the group. Right now I have a projection a 52 inch HD monitor that is 1080i capable which I bought on BF in 2004. It has no HDMI connection, just component. Is there a DVD where upconversion would work, or do you have to have a HDMI connector?

Also, should I spring $169 for a HD receiver for my monitor?

You don't need HDMI to do 1080i or 720p so I'm sure that there are DVD players that will upconvert to those resolutions and support component. Does your TV have a DVI connector, if so, then you can get a simple DVI<->HDMI cable as well.

What type of HD receiver are you talking about, OTA/cable/satellite?

evidence....show me the evidence....LoL

search....use the search.

Sears Friends and Family/VIP sale (http://forums.gottadeal.com/showthread.php?t=85813)

I took my wife to BB yesterday to show her the differences in LCD HDTVs. I am happy to say she has given me the green light to buy one. Most likely I will be tented on the concrete tundra of my local BB on T-day. When we went to BB they had 2 Samsung 42" LCD 1080p tvs beside each other. There was a $200 difference between them. Using the same signal the higher priced one was so much crisper. I could see more skin tones and diffences in blacks and blues. I checked the specs and the big difference was the contrast ratio. The higher priced one was 15000 to 1. The other was 8000 to 1. VERY BIG DIFFERENCE. I will pay the extra $200. I am just hoping that instead of $1699 it drops to $1299 on BF. That would make me :)

I took my wife to BB yesterday to show her the differences in LCD HDTVs. I am happy to say she has given me the green light to buy one. Most likely I will be tented on the concrete tundra of my local BB on T-day. When we went to BB they had 2 Samsung 42" LCD 1080p tvs beside each other. There was a $200 difference between them. Using the same signal the higher priced one was so much crisper. I could see more skin tones and diffences in blacks and blues. I checked the specs and the big difference was the contrast ratio. The higher priced one was 15000 to 1. The other was 8000 to 1. VERY BIG DIFFERENCE. I will pay the extra $200. I am just hoping that instead of $1699 it drops to $1299 on BF. That would make me :)

Would you happen to know the model number of the one you are looking at?

How much do you think Walmart will be selling there Vizio 26'' or the Westinghouse 26'' for? Because I can get one right now for $400 from a buddy, the Vizio one. But I can also run the risk of getting one even better, and new too on BF. But again, it is a risk. What should I do? And I can get the Westinghouse at Costco (my parents are going to try for that). While I'm at Walmart with the Vizio or Westinghouse, whichever I can get ahold of. So...yeah...


And with places like this, when they open the doors, do I just run to the back where the TV's are? And just grab? Or what do I do? (this is my first time.) Could I have some help

How much do you think Walmart will be selling there Vizio 26'' or the Westinghouse 26'' for? Because I can get one right now for $400 from a buddy, the Vizio one. But I can also run the risk of getting one even better, and new too on BF. But again, it is a risk. What should I do? And I can get the Westinghouse at Costco (my parents are going to try for that). While I'm at Walmart with the Vizio or Westinghouse, whichever I can get ahold of. So...yeah...


And with places like this, when they open the doors, do I just run to the back where the TV's are? And just grab? Or what do I do? (this is my first time.) Could I have some help

I paid that much for my 37" last BF (after rebates, yadda yadda). I would assume that you will be able to get a better deal on BF. Of course you will likely have to stand in line all night in the cold, so I guess it's up to you whether it's worth it to pull the trigger now or not.

Hey angelic680, I see it wasn't a 42" it was a 40"(close enough), and it was Model LN-T4066F

Personally I'm just hoping for a decent 1080P sale in general for BF. The more sets there are the higher the chances of getting one. I have been eyeing the smaller sets myself since I dont 'need' a huge TV.

$169 seems high for just a receiver, although I know that is the typical price. I have seen them as low as 90 (clearance with a coupon at Sears), but that was some time ago. Personally, since I can't live without a DVR, an ATSC receiver would be just about my last choice for HDTV, after HTPC, satellite DVR, and cable DVR. But if none of those are options, I guess it should be at least considered.

OTA

There are players that will upconvert DVD over component with a hack, perhaps this link (http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/06/20/ask-hd-beat-dvd-upconverting-over-component/) will help.

$169 seems high for just a receiver, although I know that is the typical price. I have seen them as low as 90 (clearance with a coupon at Sears), but that was some time ago. Personally, since I can't live without a DVR, an ATSC receiver would be just about my last choice for HDTV, after HTPC, satellite DVR, and cable DVR. But if none of those are options, I guess it should be at least considered.

I wouldn't be so quick to poo-poo OTA HD. I find that often the overall picture quality of OTA HD broadcasts are superiour to anything being pumped out by the cable/satellite companies. Remember, just like with standard def, the cable/sat providers are trying to squeeze as many channels as possible over their fixed amount of bandwidth. This means that they are more likely to jack up the compression levels (or lower their bitrates) yielding an inferior picture. No such worries from OTA. While watching football games on cable/sat is nice, I'm constantly blown away by how much better the OTA quality often is. Now of course, this varies significantly based on location, and in any case you are only talking about a handful of channels compared to cable/sat.

I wouldn't be so quick to poo-poo OTA HD. I find that often the overall picture quality of OTA HD broadcasts are superiour to anything being pumped out by the cable/satellite companies. Remember, just like with standard def, the cable/sat providers are trying to squeeze as many channels as possible over their fixed amount of bandwidth. This means that they are more likely to jack up the compression levels (or lower their bitrates) yielding an inferior picture. No such worries from OTA. While watching football games on cable/sat is nice, I'm constantly blown away by how much better the OTA quality often is. Now of course, this varies significantly based on location, and in any case you are only talking about a handful of channels compared to cable/sat.

D'oh! I phrased things poorly. OTA HD is actually my first choice of medium too (I agree it is the least compressed). In fact, it is what I use exclusively for now. I just receive it using an HTPC so I can get the DVR functionality I need. When I said an ATSC receiver was my last choice, I meant a standalone ATSC receiver.

Hey angelic680, I see it wasn't a 42" it was a 40"(close enough), and it was Model LN-T4066F

You can do better in price on that!! I would hold off....

Does anyone know about the brand Magnavox for an LCD tv? Don't need any bells and whistles. Just need a larger LCD for my bedroom.

I saw an advertisement for Sears on TV last night. Starting tomorrow (Thursday) they will have a 42" Magnavox LCD tv for $799. Said it was a $600 savings. WIth a sears card you can get a $150 rebate off that. So roughly $650 for a 42". Just not sure of the brand. hate to have repairs the first year.

Walmart had a few 50" Sanyo Plasma for $998 Last week....

the target ad has an Olevia 37inch 1080I LCD HDTV on sale for $549 on black friday. i think that might be the TV for my wife.:cheesy:

so 32" @<hidden> KMart for $420 & a 37" @<hidden> Target for $550.

No exactly the prices i was looking for...but i guess they'll do

i understand mrfriday. i was hoping to get a 42 inch for around $500. i guess i will see what kmart, BB, circuit city and walmart does

so 32" @<hidden> KMart for $420 & a 37" @<hidden> Target for $550.

No exactly the prices i was looking for...but i guess they'll do

The Olevia (slightly different model, the 537 vs 237) could be had last BF for $500 AR, so I would expect better prices this year. Nice unit BTW (the 537).

Those TV's arent that great! Who wants a no name TV....

Where are the good TV sales....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :( :mad: :yuck: :no:

Those TV's arent that great! Who wants a no name TV....

Where are the good TV sales....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :( :mad: :yuck: :no:
I agree. So far the year of the TV sale is falling very flat. Granted, Best Buy and Circuit City have not had their ads out yet, however, other stores that should have good sales simply do not... yet.

I'm eyeing the 46' Sharp Aquas at Sears for $999. My wife saw the TV and thought it was a great picture. Now i have to see what Best Buy and Circuit City in their ads. That being said, the lines at BB and CC are super long and the lines always form at Midnight. I'm tempted to get up @<hidden> 4am for Sears.

The people camping out overnight, are they usually there for big ticket items?

Those TV's arent that great! Who wants a no name TV....

Where are the good TV sales....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :( :mad: :yuck: :no:

And what reviews and comparisons have lead you to this conclusion? Have you gone out and actually looked at the Olevias? If you do a search on this board, you'll find almost nothing but positive comments. If you want to spend 2x for a "name", go for it, I'll be happy saving money, enjoying a fantastic picture, and getting pissed when my "name" brand goes kerplunk 1 month after the warranty expires (search on Amazon for some comments about a certain 4 letter "name" and some of their tv's)

And what reviews and comparisons have lead you to this conclusion? Have you gone out and actually looked at the Olevias? If you do a search on this board, you'll find almost nothing but positive comments. If you want to spend 2x for a "name", go for it, I'll be happy saving money, enjoying a fantastic picture, and getting pissed when my "name" brand goes kerplunk 1 month after the warranty expires (search on Amazon for some comments about a certain 4 letter "name" and some of their tv's)


Check it out on Cnet.com

the Panasonic at Bestbuy is not impressive at
$900.

yeah so far the tv sales aren't what i was hoping for.. i guess walmart won't disappoint in that department

what do you guys think of the 32in tvs that just came out with circuit city and best buy? For the better brand ones, like the philips and the sharp, which one do you think is the best deal for the $600 they want?

Does anyone know what model the sharp 32" HDTV for $599 in the CC ad is?

just zoom in on the pdf and it looks like its this one: Sharp LC 32SH12U - 32" LCD TV

Edit - It doesn't seem that there are many review on this tv...does anyone have any info on it, or is it a new model?

Check it out on Cnet.com


Cnet is not the authoritive review site like it used to be just a few years ago.

I agree with what a couple of others have said in that you have to get out and do side by side comparisons in person. From my own experience, I've seen some of these off brand sets look far superior to certain models of the first line brands given the same screen size, and then vice versa.

Cnet is not the authoritive review site like it used to be just a few years ago.

I agree with what a couple of others have said in that you have to get out and do side by side comparisons in person. From my own experience, I've seen some of these off brand sets look far superior to certain models of the first line brands given the same screen size, and then vice versa.

Thanks for the update.... I still dont know whats the best LCD for sale....

Can anyone help me out??? I'm looking for a 37, 46, or bigger LCD. I dont buy a TV everyday, and i know you get what you pay for but these sales have me all messed up!!!

Any help you can give would be GREAT!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... :cheesy: :eyepoppin

What model is the Samsung 50" DLP TV from Circuit City?
Also from Circuit city, what model is the Sharp Aquos 46"? Is it the LC46D62U?
Hmm, if thats the Sharp that is for sale, I will be going to CC instead of BB for the 47inch Westy.
Or the 56inch Panasonic from Sears looks good...

Hi
Looking for the biggest baddest true 1080p plasma at best price around. min of 65 inch. Let me know if you see a great deal from reliable source.
Regards
John

Check it out on Cnet.com

What about cnet.com? I know where to look for reviews (though I almost never go to cnet) ,but even on cnet, the Olevia is rated pretty highly amongst users (no cnet review of it or the other Olevia 37" LCD's). Again, if you want to pay top dollar, go for it. I prefer to make my money "work smarter, not harder". I challenge anyone to come to my house, look at the 1080i OTA signal, and not be blown away. Sure you might be able to find nits when you do a side by side comparison against some of the "other" tv's, but I'm not willing to play the "diminishing returns" game.

PM me with your email address and I will send you the list I'm compiling of all LCDs, Plasmas, and DLPs. I'm not posting due to Office Max wanting their prices removed, and possible future accusation letters.

So far no deals on a good quality Plasma, yeah sure $900.00-$1000.00 for the Panasonic 42 inch is okay, but you can do almost as good on Amazon. Show me $700.00-800.00 and I'll stand outside in the cold at 4 Am. I'll be sleeping in this BF.

Whats the best 32"-40" brand/price of LCD TV out there in the ads right now? Sears seems like the best pricing right now though

Whats the best 32"-40" brand/price of LCD TV out there in the ads right now? Sears seems like the best pricing right now though
32" Circuit City Element for 399.99
37" Target Olevia 549.00
40" Sears Samsung 1199.99

32" Geeks.com Westinghouse 399.99
Currently out of Stock - But offer is available until 11/15/07.

http://www.geeks.com/pix/2007/LTVDEAL.html?AID=10439518&CJPID=1412508

Who has best price on a 19 inch flat panel lcd?

32" Geeks.com Westinghouse 399.99
Currently out of Stock -